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Post by comeradeluxemburg on Sept 27, 2015 23:05:33 GMT
Since the twitch chats have lots of discussions about communism and politics, I was wondering where you stand. The answers go from top being the most far left as it goes down becomes less left wing and towards the bottom is right wing)
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Post by samt on Sept 27, 2015 23:20:57 GMT
Why does Evilman have a political stance unto himself? He should be under the category of UN jester or political incident
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Post by comeradeluxemburg on Sept 27, 2015 23:27:07 GMT
I abstain as no entry is accurate enough for my views. I consider myself to be an extreme libertarian socialist. Which on the two-axis political compass, would put it at bottom left corner. See here. The closest thing on the poll would be anarcho-communist, but there are quite a number of differences between that and a standard libertarian socialist. Also, calling anarcho-capitalism "libertarianism" is somewhat innaccurate. Libertarianism generally refers to social and political freedom whereas capitalism and socialism / communism refer to the economic freedom (or lack thereof), as such you could have a capitalist or a socialist society that is libertarian. Damn single axis politics....... I can change the poll
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Post by comeradeluxemburg on Sept 27, 2015 23:35:35 GMT
Why does Evilman have a political stance unto himself? He should be under the category of UN jester or political incident Have you played Gary Grigsby with him? Sept 27, 2015 19:12:32 GMT -4 Hypsicratea said: I abstain as no entry is accurate enough for my views. I consider myself to be an extreme libertarian socialist. Which on the two-axis political compass, would put it at bottom left corner. See here. The closest thing on the poll would be anarcho-communist, but there are quite a number of differences between that and a standard libertarian socialist. Also, calling anarcho-capitalism "libertarianism" is somewhat innaccurate. Libertarianism generally refers to social and political freedom whereas capitalism and socialism / communism refer to the economic freedom (or lack thereof), as such you could have a capitalist or a socialist society that is libertarian. Damn single axis politics....... I fixed it, put it between Communism and Socialism, cause I didn't know where to put it.
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Post by comeradeluxemburg on Sept 27, 2015 23:52:30 GMT
Have you played Gary Grigsby with him? Sept 27, 2015 19:12:32 GMT -4 Hypsicratea said: I abstain as no entry is accurate enough for my views. I consider myself to be an extreme libertarian socialist. Which on the two-axis political compass, would put it at bottom left corner. See here. The closest thing on the poll would be anarcho-communist, but there are quite a number of differences between that and a standard libertarian socialist. Also, calling anarcho-capitalism "libertarianism" is somewhat innaccurate. Libertarianism generally refers to social and political freedom whereas capitalism and socialism / communism refer to the economic freedom (or lack thereof), as such you could have a capitalist or a socialist society that is libertarian. Damn single axis politics....... I fixed it, put it between Communism and Socialism, cause I didn't know where to put it. Voted. I'd also recommend anyone who hasn't, to take the Political Compass Test. I find it fairly accurately shows you where your viewpoints lie based on how you feel on a variety of issues. You may have to look up some things if you don't know what they mean if you want results that are accurate as possible. Tried that test got anarcho-communist area which I can definitely agree on.
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Post by agrippamaxentius on Oct 1, 2015 8:08:37 GMT
Definitely a Social-Democrat, I believe that society should be based on public good over private profit. That being said I believe a checks and balances system and regulation is a constant necessity in both government and business to avoid corruption. I could see myself fighting for POUM during the Spanish Civil War like Orwell, but I am adamantly against a Totalitarian "Communist" State, I put that in quotes because subjecting a revolutionary movement to a single leader utterly discredits the "Communism" aspect of the party. I believe in a highly regulated market, and strongly oppose inheritance laws. As far as I am concerned when you pass on your funds "Most of them at least" should go back to the country that supported you. I like Bernie Sanders, but I doubt that anyone would even be allowed into the political arena unless they were willing to play ball with multinationals so I don't exactly trust any politician in our current political system. It's completely broken, we need a new system, not a new president.
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Post by Ahriman999 on Oct 1, 2015 15:31:31 GMT
Ugh. Honestly it's really hard for me to come up with a label for my political ideology aside from the fact that I heavily support socialism. So I just picked that, my ideas of government are so heavily convoluted it's hard to label beyond that for me. On one hand, I believe that a strong central government is necessary to protect it's people from both outside and interior threats, I personally hold corruption and unrestricted corporate issues in the latter, and the US government has utterly failed at stopping both. Honestly, there have been times I have been so frustrated with how corrupt this system is I wished that corruption was a capital offense... However since it is a fairly broad term that would be exploited very quickly. However, I do believe it is the job of every citizen to be politically active and have rights of privacy, free speech, and their own personal lifestyle choices (This is a boil-down explanation, too lazy right now to type up a whole paper explaining how I view this). It the duty of the Government to protect its citizens and their rights simultaneously, however I find that plenty of times its certain citizens causing the downfall through bloated self-interest. Thus I believe the government needs to heavily regulate powerful private citizens, they should be benefiting the majority, not themselves. Sorry if this makes me some sort of absolutist, and hell, I honestly consider that a better idea then what we currently have right now provided it isn't some Orwellian hell hole like North Korea or homicidal period of insanity like the Third Reich or Stalinist Russia
After living in Kansas all my life and seeing what unrestricted capitalism can do to a state, even in a short while, business owners don't pay any taxes, meaning that taxes everywhere else including food and industries like health and education have raised their prices through the roof, only the rich can afford a college education now. And farmers are free to throw whatever chemical shit they want into the soil, regardless of long term consequence, plus the open gun carry bill which, while could work in sane communities, makes me glad to live in a close knit rural community. Anybody in a city street potentially has a gun, hell, not a week ago my grandmother heard gunshots while she was trying to sleep and when I turn on the local news there seems to be a gun related incident every day or so in Kansas City alone. Did I mention you do not need a psychological exam to carry said weapon or that you don't even need a permit to carry out in the streets? It could just be my paranoia but we'er going to hell in a hand-basket.
It's natural to blame the government for this shit, and they are responsible. However it isn't due to them overreaching their bounds and its instead because they aren't doing their duty as representatives and protectors. Pretty much half of our state legislature is a bunch of radical right-wing libertarians (I do not mean any disrespect towards the latter, I'm just stating that these people openly call themselves libertarians) who are effectively bought out by corporations to represent them or are fucking us over on their own volition. The vast majority of the other half are other republicans who are slowly getting weeded out due to their status as moderates or democrats to afraid to do shit, probably correct, as Paul Davis (democratic governor candidate) pretty much was slandered for an incident at a strip club that occurred DECADES ago. Do I have it better than some people? Yes, does that excuse the situation for being complete and utter shit? Hell no.
So I guess this explains why I believe that a government needs to be strong and free from corporate interests. I'd rather have a society with no destitute individuals but very few rich people than a bunch of rich people with an overwhelming amount of people unable to support their families or themselves. It's clear in my view that unrestricted wealth leads to disaster. And without a strong government then who is going to restrict them? Sorry, but the rich nowadays own the news programs, the papers, and the radio. The vast majority here are taught to want what the 0.01% want, or at least ignore what the evil bastards are doing (yes, I'm sorry, but what these people are doing has led me to believe that inherent evil does exist).
Edit: phew, got that out of my system. Probably wasn't at my most rational but hey.
Second Edit: also, sorry if I unintentionally offended someone for some reason.
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Post by comeradeluxemburg on Oct 1, 2015 18:52:35 GMT
Definitely a Social-Democrat, I believe that society should be based on public good over private profit. That being said I believe a checks and balances system and regulation is a constant necessity in both government and business to avoid corruption. I could see myself fighting for POUM during the Spanish Civil War like Orwell, but I am adamantly against a Totalitarian "Communist" State, I put that in quotes because subjecting a revolutionary movement to a single leader utterly discredits the "Communism" aspect of the party. I believe in a highly regulated market, and strongly oppose inheritance laws. As far as I am concerned when you pass on your funds "Most of them at least" should go back to the country that supported you. I like Bernie Sanders, but I doubt that anyone would even be allowed into the political arena unless they were willing to play ball with multinationals so I don't exactly trust any politician in our current political system. It's completely broken, we need a new system, not a new president. POUM was democratic socialist not social democrat, which would not exactly fit in with the beliefs you stated above that. Also, Social Democrat, absolutely disgusting (Sarcasm)
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Post by levodicus on Oct 4, 2015 18:43:44 GMT
There wasnt "everyone makes their own money, but pays taxes for community healthcare, retirement, and education" So i vote socialist.
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Post by partycommissar on Oct 6, 2015 0:05:38 GMT
I'd also recommend anyone who hasn't, to take the Political Compass Test. I find it fairly accurately shows you where your viewpoints lie based on how you feel on a variety of issues. You may have to look up some things if you don't know what they mean if you want results that are accurate as possible. Heh took that test, I wasn't too surprised with what I got. Mostly Center in the libertarian Left. Fits in with what I think of myself
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Post by evilman2011 on Oct 14, 2015 22:47:24 GMT
Fascist moderate not like super fascist when it comes to taxes I want I think the rich should be taxes a ton more then the others
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